Episode 31: Dallas Cowboys Netflix documentary discussion: Part 1.

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For some GenX fans, the Dallas Cowboys of the ’90s weren’t just a football team—they were a cultural force. From Troy Aikman’s steady leadership to Emmitt Smith’s relentless running and Michael Irvin’s big-play swagger, the Cowboys dominated Sundays and became must-watch TV. 

Now, Netflix’s new documentary takes us back to that unforgettable era and the larger-than-life presence of Jerry Jones, the man who reshaped the franchise forever, and his coach, Jimmy Johnson, the taskmaster on the field. 

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Okay, everybody, welcome back to Gen X Classic Sports. This will be episode 31.

And look, if you're not a Cowboys fan, I get it. I mean, they have done a lot of

things over the years that uh understandably make people hate them. I get it. But, you know, I was born into a

Cowboys family, as were my friends. And I went to a game for the first time

in 1978. And so, I've been a Cowboys fan ever since. And, you know, I was young

but lived through the the fun times of the 70s going to Super Bowls. And then in the 80s,

um, it wasn't fun at all. My entire time in school with buddies and all in junior high and high school, I got picked on

for being a Cowboys fan because they were not very good.

So, this Netflix documentary comes out and uh we've all watched it. And so, my

buddies and I, David, Mark, my brother Casey, we've all sat down and we've had a discussion about what we noticed in

the Netflix documentary, uh, and our memories of the actual events that

happened. So, I understand, you know, if you're a Cowboys fan, maybe you'll learn something from this. Or if you're

haven't seen the documentary, maybe you'll learn something from this. But that's what we're going to do to kick

off football season this year. And it's going to be a two-parter. And as I've mentioned on social media, we will move

to a weekly format for the rest of the year hopefully because there's just so much content during football season. So

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Thank you. We all took notes. We all remember. We all watched the documentary about the

Cowboys. Um, so let's talk about what we thought about the Dallas Cowboys uh documentary that apparently Jerry Jones

had editorial control over. So what do y'all what do y'all think? I wrote down a couple things. Some of y'all might

have. Let me let me tell you what the first thing was that I found. So it covered a lot of time, but it started

talking about uh Jerry buying the team. And it had some flashback moments in it.

And I don't know how many episodes over into there it was, but the first thing that I noticed was

Jerry getting really emotional talking about his turning point and kind of a turning point in his life was when

Arkansas won the national championship in football. And he got real emotional

talking about how none of the guys on the team were ever the same again. And that's when he decided he really

wanted to get into um professional sports. So, what um that was my

impression that that's that was a that was clearly a big event in his life because he referenced it um so many

times. Anybody else got something that jumped out at you early? He claimed he changed that feeling ch

excuse me, chased that feeling for the rest of his life, didn't he? Or you know, yeah, he dedicated his life to chasing

it and finding that feeling again. Um that was really the most emotional he

was in the whole documentary was flashing back to winning it at at Arkansas. Um speaking of that

Yeah. And and speaking of the Arkansas thing, did y'all know that he had a master's

degree and that his masters had been in sports promotion or whatever he had written that that paper about? They

showed actual pieces of it where he had written out what he thought needed to be done to promote a professional football

team because he says in there at some point that pro football owners were just they were just kind of like tax

writeoffs and hobbies um for the owners pro football teams. Y'all do y'all y'all have any thoughts

about a guy in the 64 thinking that uh pro sports would be

such a big deal and putting that much thought into how to do that?

That's pretty forward thinking for that time. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, NFL was not

that old as far as the national, you know, college football was more popular than NFL for a long, long, long

time. So, he was putting a lot of thought into where the future could lead for pro

football for sure. Anybody else? Mark, what' you what was something early that jumped out at you

as a as a talking point? Well, I I go back to that, too, is I I

just thought he he went straight to the oil business. That's what he was concentrating in, but I I didn't know

until the documentary that that's what his major was. Yeah. The I think it was his masters,

wasn't it? Was sports, whatever. Yeah. Um, I mean, they didn't get into

the whole timeline necessarily, but I know that he left college and ended up in the oil industry and he had tried to

he told that whole story about trying to buy the Chargers and getting involved with the mafia and his dad did not like that at all, so he backed off. That's

the first time I'd ever heard that part, too. But, but it is interesting that as a a young man,

he was really thinking about what it would take to to be successful with an

NFL franchise. And that that was good because it flashed back to the sort of the mindset

of a guy that was probably 22 years old at the time. Casey, you're quiet. What you got?

Nothing. No impressions? No. Anything about since I started with

Jerry's early years, is there anything about him sort of as a young man that surprised you or I don't know the quest

to buy a team and all that? Uh, I thought it was just interesting

his early beginnings and and how he uh

just didn't have that background and how that

all that all those things uh kind of lined up and led him to that point. All

the the oil business and all the other things. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he didn't say it, but it kind of makes the case that he

did the whole thing to fund what he really wanted to do in life that he kind of had had to he had to

have had some kind of plan to put all that together or go in that direction.

Absolutely. So, I guess let's do this. I guess it would help us stay organized if we kind of went chronological. So,

that's sort of the whether not chronologically as far as the documentary cuz it skipped around a lot,

but chronologically sort of how we know this happened. So that so we know that Jerry and Jimmy we we won't have to

rehash all that. We know Jerry and Jimmy were roommates and therefore sort of friends and and Jerry had this long-term

plan of someday owning a team. We also know that Jimmy went out on his own and

became really entrenched in coaching and so forth while Jerry was out there wildcatting for the oil industry. So we

know kind of how they got where they got to. So we don't have to talk all that talk about all that. Um,

but what can you what jumps out at you guys about the process, the actual

process of Jerry buying the team and hiring Jimmy? I mean, we live through that. The whole point of this podcast is

that we're Gen Xers. And I can remember sitting in David's living room and his

dad walking through and saying, "I can't believe that sorry so fired Tom Landry."

And then, you know, thinking about it and he coming back through saying they will never win a Super Bowl with a college coach. I go down the street to

our house. Dad was not a fan of Jimmy Johnson. If y'all will remember back in the day,

the U, they were really good. They won I think they set a record at one time for home consecutive home wins down in their

stadium. But they beat people bad and they were not the I mean, call it what

you want. They were flashy. And the thing is, Jimmy encouraged all that and they just really skull dragged people

and enjoyed taunting and all that kind of stuff. Not my dad's favorite coach.

And so when this all happened, these men that had been Cowboys fans were not

happy. I was kind of glad they had made a change at all because they needed to.

Oh yeah. They went three and 13 in Landry's last season to a half empty stadium in

Irving. something needed to be done. And so what do y'all remember about that time? I think that'll I mean that that's

been a while, but we were I was a senior in high school when this happened. So you two were in college and you were in

junior high. What do y'all remember about that whole process pre ESPN days?

Well, first of all, I had no idea who Jerry Jones was.

I don't Nobody did. I don't Unless you were an Arkansas fan that followed the 1964 Razerbacks,

right? Who? How would you know? Right? And nobody else did,

right? So, you're sitting there watching this all unfold going, "Who's this guy?

Who is this guy?" Yeah, understandable. You'd had to been a hardcore fan to know

the starting guard on 64, right? What else, Mark? since you're the one

talking. By the time we found out Jimmy was involved, would you think?

I was kind of like your dad. I was not a Miami fan, right? You know, in the day, they were

flashy. Flashy and that just wasn't college football to me back then. Now it's

common, but aggressive. Jimmy encouraged it all

that. Right. Right. And he was going to do that with the Cowboys, too. Yeah. which really it kind of turned out not

so much because you get pen back then you got penalized a lot more for some stuff than you do now and this all that

kind of stuff but yeah he uh yeah they

were flashy they they taunted they did all that kind of stuff so they weren't popular with a lot of people um what

about you same way I didn't like Jimmy Johnson I didn't like the Miami Hurricanes for that reason they were

flashy cocky very brash, but that they were supremely talented.

No doubt. But I don't know. I guess maybe we were a little old school from

what our parents thought. You know, they they remember Tom Landry as a young man as probably as a player and knew he was

classy and all that and they didn't want this Jimmy Johnson coming in this arrogant guy encouraging this this type

of play. you know, it was unheard of at that time.

So, I wasn't impressed with it. And I'm like Mark, I didn't know who Jerry Jones was either. Didn't have a clue. Well, my

uh so being a casual Razerback fan because of where we live, my impression about

the Jimmy thing was that Arkansas had scheduled Miami back to back and the

first time they played them was in War Memorial and Little Rock and I didn't, you know, at the time you

don't know this, but you find out over the years after with more books and articles written and the internet and

all that. And then Jimmy wrote a book that I read, but Jimmy wanted the

Arkansas job badly and I think it was when Holtz got hired

and they brought him in and did the whole interview thing and he left thinking this is my job and then he

found out from a reporter that Lou Holtz had been hired instead of him and he was

not happy and I think it was Lou Holtz and then later on when the Hatfield

thing happened I think it kind of came up again. Anyway, the bottom line was Jimmy was pretty hurt to be spurned by

his alma monitor. So, when they whoever scheduled Miami and Arkansas, when Arkansas hosted Miami,

Wayne's not with us, but he could tell us the exact score, but was something 52 to 51 to nothing.

51 to nothing. Yeah, I thought it was seven. I thought Arkansas did score. Well, the point was there on national

TV, Jimmy was clearly not concerned about running the score up either. He he

didn't call the dogs off whatsoever. And I'm not saying he should have. I'm just saying it didn't look like that was part

of his concern. So, and then the next year, believe it or not, Arkansas goes

down there and plays him a really good game. Probably should have won. I think it was 18 to 14 or something like that. I think Steve Atwater had a big

interception in that game. They should have beat him. But, so my impression was, well, you know, Jerry Jones is

narcans and Jimmy's really mad at the Razerbacks right now. How what's this all about? Then you find out they're

teammates and roommates and you thank friends and all that kind of stuff. So that's where I was with it. But I mean,

look, the Cowboys were bad. They were awful. They were awful when Jimmy when

Jimmy took over. So something needed to be done. So as a fan, I was glad for a change, but that wasn't the change I

necessarily. Well, you find out in that documentary that Tom Landry was, you know, so out of

touch. He Yeah. He didn't know the some of the players names. He pretty much let them do what they wanted to do in practice, but I didn't feel like

practicing. He didn't push them or nothing any of that by the time, you know, that came along.

And I didn't know any of that at the time. Yeah. And some of the guys that we're

most uh aware of as Cowboys heroes were Randy White and some of these guys. They

were still hanging on, right? Drawing a paycheck and they didn't need to be, right? And in that documentary, I did

learn that Jimmy wrote all of them a letter saying, "Your time has come. You

can either retire or we're going to cut you." Right? And so a slew of guys retired. Danny White, Randy White,

Tutall Jones. On and on and on. And they needed to. So, um, in that regard, it wasn't that

upsetting to get rid of some, even though they were heroes, to get rid rid of some guys that that needed to go. So,

all right. So, moving chronologically, let's talk about how it first h how how

they first handled their business. Um, we know they did the Hersel trade and all that, but what I wrote down was what

was Jimmy's big advantage to stepping into the NFL and then running a draft

for the first and second and maybe third times even. What advantage did he have over everybody in the NFL that doesn't

get talked about enough? He recruited most of those kids from college. These guys that he's looking at coming

out of college, he'd been in their living rooms. He'd met their mamas. He's trying to bring the Emtt Smith was one

of them. He tried to bring Emit to uh Miami, Miami. He knew guys on every team in the NFL

that turned out to be good players that he had recruited in high school. Of course, there were guys from his own schools. there was guys from but that

was a tremendous advantage over every even scouting department in the NFL was

that Jimmy knew these players and what they could and couldn't do. And so it

took about three years for all of them to sort of graduate that he kind of three or four years for them to finally

float through the system. By then he'd loaded the team down. What you got Mark? Well, you notice that he told Michael

Irvin to get drafted somehow by the Cowboys if he got that call to take it because he

would be the next coach. Yeah. And I think one of the funny speaking of all the players leaving and

the influx of talent, the funniest thing in the whole thing to me was Michael Irvin saying I already had the list

ready when Jimmy took over. I handed him list and said these cuz Michael had played a year under Landry. saying,

"These guys have to go because they didn't live up to the Miami standard or

the Cowboys standard, either one." Um, so I thought that was pretty funny, but Jimmy coming in and seeing these names

and knowing these guys was a major advantage. So that's why he was plus the Hersel thing, that's why they rebuilt

the roster u with such good uh talent early on. So,

let's talk about uh since we're talking about the documentary, um

what do y'all think about the fact that uh they they they put so much emphasis on the Steve Burline and Aman drama, but

they didn't even mention Aman and Steve Walsh very much. That was the first big issue, right?

And uh for those listening that don't know, what happened in the draft when Jimmy took over? They drafted Aman

first, which was a no-brainer. But then what happened? They had the supplemental draft back then and they drafted Walsh

with with the supplemental Steve Walsh. Steve Walsh quarterback out of Miami. Yeah. Who had been Jimmy's national

champion winning quarterback, right? So then Dallas fans were like, "Wait a minute. We drafted Aman. We know he's

good, but we also drafted Jimmy's dude from Miami." I was confused. I was like,

"What is this all about?" Yep. So, I read Jimmy's book and Jimmy said, "Well, you know, you know, it's

easy for him to say that after the fact, but he made it sound like in his book that that that was just a way to make

sure he was stocked at quarterback, but if things went like he thought they would, he would dangle Walsh out there

for trade bait." And that's what ended up happening. And wasn't it also to like give Aman a little

Yeah. You know, competition, not, you know, not to feel get get too cocky.

Yeah. And the thing is too, Steve, what really screwed everything up was Aman was out there taking a beating. They're

losing every game practically and Walsh wins the one game of the year after Aman

gets so hurt that he can't play. And it's against it's against the Redskins. They finally beat somebody. So Aman

didn't even win, didn't even get the win in the one game that they won that year. So they didn't even talk about that.

They talked about Burline taking over and leading them into the playoffs. And I thought that was really an interesting

choice, but I guess it's because the playoffs were involved. But do you remember Casey, the Steve Burline

thing? Uh, not not until the documentary. I didn't realize the

he he was like the first really solid backup quarterback they had. He'd been a starter for the Raiders.

I didn't realize that Aman had they kind of went with the odd hand and Aman could

have played potentially, but they stayed with him. It sounded like the Dak and Romo thing years later. I mean, they

they refused to not go with the hot hand, so Aman had to ride it out on the bench. And then, of course, Burline

stunk it up in the playoffs. Um, Mark, you got anything about the

Aman Walsh thing? It wasn't even in there. I'm throwing it out there anyway for historical purposes.

You just remember that. But you do remember that being a deal. Yeah, it was a deal. Um,

I'm just trying to think. just, you know, we know the Haley thing happened and

the Minnesota picks turned out to be Emit Smith and and a whole slew of guys. Emit being the main one. Um, y'all

remember who Jimmy first picked? One of his first picks, other than Aman, you know who one of his other first

picks was? One of his own players from Miami. Y'all remember who that was? He ended up being a key piece of it. He's

just he's just not a name guy because he's one of them dudes that just did his job and just did it really well.

Was it a lineman? Yeah, it was a lineman. Russell Maryland. Russell Maryland. Yeah, he's one of them dudes that the NFL said

was too short. Jimmy disagreed and drafted him anyway and he turned out to be a really good player for Dallas. So,

I always thought that was pretty cool. Um, so, you know, they mess around. They go from 1 and 15 to seven and nine and

then they go from seven and nine to 11 and five and make the playoffs. The burline thing happens. they get knocked

out of the playoffs, but by then, you know, they go into that next year and they end up with, I guess, with Haley

and whatever. And so, the next big point on the timeline to me happens to be the

the San Francisco game because they talked about it in the documentaries. The changing of the guard had already

happened with with Dallas handing it over to San Francisco after the catch,

right? Dallas was the team of the Dallas and Pittsburgh were the teams of the 70s and you roll into the very early 80s and

Dallas is on the way down. The Niners are on the way up. They get the catch.

They put Dallas out of the playoffs. They end up winning uh Super Bowls in the early 80s and they were the team of

the 80s. Clearly, they won like four, didn't they? Right. So, Dallas goes in there in 92.

Niners were loaded. Dallas was loaded. And it they did a good job in the documentary talking about that game. So,

for me as a Cowboys fan, that was a key game in the history of the franchise. What do y'all remember about that game

that they talked about? I mean, I remember watching it. I saw what all happened. And it's fun to hear years

later the the thought process behind a couple key things that went into that. Y'all remember that game?

Well, the field for one thing. Yeah. It was It was terribly wet. Yeah.

It the field at Candlestick was always a mess anyway. Yeah.

Yeah. And that was a factor in the game. So what I was Casey, you remember the documentary with Jimmy what they did

with the about the field conditions. Well, charting off the wet the worst spots and knowing

what to avoid and where they could get good footing and that sort of thing was interesting.

Exactly. Jimmy went out there and walked it and made a chart of where the Dbacks would have the most trouble turning and

cutting and and they ended up using that later on to help win to ice the game at least.

One of the things that struck me, do y'all remember in that documentary all the great footage of the games? Not your typical TV feed footage, but the

sideline footage and the what I call field level footage where they're in the dang end zone while the goal line play.

They had some incredible footage and sound in that documentary. And all I can

remember is how much hitting they were doing during

that game. Those guys were pounding each other. They didn't like each other. They

were the two most physically gifted teams. And I think Jimmy said in the documentary, we knew whoever won this

game was the Super Bowl champion. There was no way, right? That was the Super Bowl. those NFC

championship games were the Super Bowl. I just I just remember EMTT just the sounds of him running into the line and

getting hit in the same way with I guess it was Ricky Waters by then for the for the Niners. But man, they were really

pounding each other. So anyway, so Dallas goes on and wins that game and that becomes the famous Jimmy speech

where he said uh what how about them Cowboys? Yeah. So,

so that gets you to the Super Bowl and that was the year that they went to the Rose Bowl, Pasadena, which was funny

because that was Awan's turf from college and they played the Buffalo Bills. I remember watching that game

being nervous because Buffalo was just a scoring machine, right? Thurman Thomas, Jim Kelly,

uh, help me with some receiver names. Oh, uh, Reed, was it Reed? Reed. Reed. Yeah. Uh the receiver re

what was his first name? Reed. Reed. Anyway, Andre Reed. Andre Reid. Uh Bruce Smith, defensive

line, right? Who was who had a ton of sacks. Yeah, they were loaded, man. They were loaded. And and that that turned out to

be pretty quickly a disaster with the fumbles and sacks and all that kind of

stuff. But Well, the Cowboys, didn't they start out slow? Didn't they weren't they behind for a little while? Yes. Well, it was slow. They certainly

weren't. I don't they I think they turned the ball over or something and could have been and that was the

what did Michael what was Michael Irvin's thing about the halftime entertainment that was so funny in the

documentary that was the year that year that was the Pasadena year Michael Jackson snuck out of halftime to

watch Did you hear that part in the documentary Mark? Yeah Irvin was determined to see Michael Jackson play

the halftime show. So yeah, so that uh that wins the Super Bowl for them.

They come back and they win it again the next year with probably a better team. They go back to they go to Atlanta. They

play that that year. They played San Francisco, I believe, at home and and got the NFC title. They go to Atlanta.

It's a much different game in the first half. And what what did they say in the documentary? Jimmy told him at halftime

of the next Super Bowl against the Bills. When we come back out, we're gonna do

what? Rabbit down. Ram it down their throat. And that was the famous drive where Emit ran it,

touched it how many times in a row, and it was basically the same play over and over and over. And the the Bills just

could not stop it. And so Emit finally scores. They go on and win like 30-13 or

something. And James Washington had a scooping score or something and helped

them win. But anyway, so they win two Super Bowls in a row. Then the trouble starts which is really

the crux of the whole thing. So this has all kind of been background. What do y'all So you know looking back on it how

shocked were you guys that Jimmy left and what do you remember? Do you remember Jimmy quit or do you remember

Jimmy got fired? That's I think that's one of the most important questions about all of this is did Jimmy leave or

Jimmy get fired? Jimmy said we have mutually agreed that I will not coach the Cowboys any longer.

That was at the press conference. In my mind, he was fired. What do you think, Casey? Was he fired

or did he quit? And we'll go back to talk about what set this fire up in the

first place. Yeah, it sounded like uh sounded like firing to me. What do you think?

I think he was he was fired. I would I thought he was fired anyway. Um so, one of y'all want to say what

happened at the which was kind of shocking coming off of two Super Bowl wins. Who's ever fired a

back-to-back Super Bowl champion coach? Nobody. Well, I I remember there back then I remember there being a spat between him

and Jerry. Didn't really know the details. And then pre- internet I thought Yeah, I thought Jerry fired

him. Yeah. No matter what they were saying, I thought he was fired. And of course, since then, books have

been written and right all this. We now get more information. But anybody want to kind of summarize what happened at

the league meetings in Orlando that happened that sort of kicked this

whole parting of the ways off? Anybody want to kind of talk about that other than me because everybody secured me.

What happened at the meetings? Jerry walked in. So,

by the way, league meetings mean all coaching staffs, all owners, all GMs, all in one under one roof at a hotel

meeting for league business post Super Bowl in like March. So, Dallas has just

won two Super Bowls and go ahead Mark. Sorry, I just want to make that clear. Well, they were in Orlando at Disney

World. Several guys were sitting with Jimmy, current coaches, ex- coaches,

some ex- scouts, ex- scouts, etc. And Jerry walks in,

holds up his glass to toast Super Bowl champions. Jimmy didn't toast

him back, right? And from what we've heard, Jerry's

reaction to that was what? What did he do with the Dallas reporters?

Edward Eder and uh I can't remember the other guy's name. Told him he was going to fire. Told him y'all don't leave. Why not?

Yeah. He literally goes like whatever to the other end of the bar, the other side of the room, whatever it was, and told those guys, "Y'all about to get the

story of the year cuz I'm about to fire that." Well, they were about to leave. Yeah, they're late. Late at night, and they're fixing to

head out cuz nothing's going on. Jerry tells him not to leave that. Well, why not? I'm about to fire Jimmy Johnson.

Was it Randy Galloway and Galloway and Edward? Edward. They didn't call him Jimmy Johnson, though. No, he called him something else. I'm

about to fire that. That sounds like a spur of the moment or in the moment in the heat of the moment

decision and I'm sure alcohol played a part. Yeah. So, I I'm actually confused about this

because I know what happened. At what point did Jimmy or did Jerry make the comment that 500 coaches could have just

won those two Super Bowls? Cuz that happened in the same It was after wasn't that in the press afterwards.

Afterwards, I think after he fired after it was known that they fired him or

it's possible that after he fired him, he told the two guys that in the course of discussing it or something. I'm not

sure. I'm really fuzzy on that. Honestly, I don't know. I just thought he said it in one of his like press in press

conferences. I don't I mean I I don't know. It It's just the point is that he

tried to toast something Jimmy didn't want to toast. Jimmy spurned him. He goes back and tells these reporters,

"I'm going to fire him." And somewhere in all of that, it a quote comes out

that he didn't back down from. He got the opportunity to. For those of you who don't know, journalistic ethics tell you

that when someone's quoted, you you before you print it, you tell them back to their face what they told you. And if

they are still okay with you quoting that and they can then kill it

if they, you know, Jerry could have slept on it because I think they said that Jerry slept on some of this. They

called him back and he still said, "No, I'm good." So somewhere in there was a

comment that 500 guys could have coached this team. So it had to have been something building

up to, you know, it couldn't have been a one thing. There had to been other

things leading up to that. Yeah. So, let's talk about some of the things real quick in the documentary that that they both said were kind of

creating the tension. One was the the one that I found the most interesting was supposedly uh when Jerry allowed

ESPN cameras in the draft room. To Jimmy, that was sacred ground. You

didn't do that. Um, and then the comment was, "Well, according to Jimmy, Jerry

says,"Well, you know, when we're about to make a pig, lean over here and let's look like we're having a unified

conversation about what we're going to do, so I'll look more involved." That's what Jimmy said. Jerry said that never

happened. But what else do y'all remember about some of the contributing factors that led to this? The bottom

line was what uh what it involved was that Jimmy did not see Jerry as a as a

football equivalent. That's kind of where all of this Yeah. sort of centered on. And so how how did

some of those kind of things manifest? Like for one thing, allegedly Jimmy really did know the players he wanted to

draft and he didn't really care too much about Jerry's opinion on it. He just told him to sign the check. So that was one thing. And Jerry of course being the

GM. Jimmy also said Jimmy had GM abilities in his contract, which I don't know how anybody would prove that one

way or the other without a contract. But what else? Can y'all remember some of the other things that rubbed each other

wrong perhaps? Well, Jimmy had been coaching for years.

Well, since since he got out of college at this point, by then 30 years, Jerry had been out of football,

right, for that many years. He was in business, right? So Jimmy did not see him as a

football person. He was a business guy. Yeah. He didn't see him as an X and O equivalent, nor a scouting and drafting

and talent acquisition equivalent. Correct. But Jerry saw himself

correct in that in that spot. Well, and I think it's one of them things. Well, Jerry was on a team with him and he kind of in his own mind,

well, we were there together going through all that. We both learned all that stuff from Pearls, but he he's not giving Jerry Jimmy credit for going off

to Pittsburgh and going off to Oklahoma State and going off to Miami and learning what he learned under all these

great coaches. So, I think that was the key rub. I made the note that Jimmy

never saw Jerry as a football equal. That's that's really where the crux of

this lies to me. Um,

okay. So, were y'all happy when Jimmy left or not? No.

No. No. So, we've gone through Oh my god, they fired How could you be? We've gone through Oh my god, they fired

Landry to What' you run Jimmy off for? We was We just won two Super Bowls. We're just getting started.

We're just getting started. Yeah. And what the most interesting thing about that was when Aman said

Jimmy left and Jerry truly did become the GM because of who he hired after

that. The greatest quote was Troy saying and then I realized Jerry's learning how

to be a GM on my time. All right, everybody. I believe we're going to stop right there. Uh, episode

31. Um, we've gotten to the part where Jimmy Johnson's no longer the coach of

the Cowboys. And instead of two weeks from now, and one week, the next Monday,

we'll pick back up with episode 32, which will be part two of our discussion about Jerry Jones and the Dallas

Cowboys, the Netflix documentary that discussed uh Jimmy and Jerry rebuilding

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