Episode 16: The best high school basketball tournament you never heard of: Part 2.

In this episode we finish our discussion about a legendary small-town basketball tournament that at its peak in the 1980s featured superstars like NBA Hall-of-Famer and Olympic champion Karl Malone, NCAA enigma Benny Anders, and Louisiana basketball legend Bobby Joe Douglas.

The Dual State Tournament, which ran for 89 years in south Arkansas, wasn’t just a proving ground for rising talent—it was a battleground where basketball dreams were made. Join Shon and Wayne as we reminisce and relive this event that was a must-watch for hoops fans of the era.

Credits:

Intro and outro music: Mason Enis

Narrator: Haylee Wolf

Host: Shon Enis

Guest: Wayne Pumphrey

Transcript

welcome sports fans to Gen X classic Sports where we bring the Nostalgia of our Sports filled you into the present

day grab your favorite retro jersey grab open a cold one and let's stroll down memory lane together we're here to

discuss iconic Sports moments teams and athletes from our generation this is Gen

X classic sports sports talk for Gen xers by gen xers hello everybody this is

Sean welcome back to the podcast and we're about to pick back up with our discussion about the Dual state

tournament and our Gen X participants from that tournament back in that era

and so we'll pick back up right here with uh me and my guest Wayne Pumphrey talking about the Dual state tournament

as always thank you for joining us yeah I think famili familiarity is

great for these rivalry type things you know we saw it in baseball too and and for that many different you know uh

there were so many fans that were just basketball junkies they watch four or five games in a after their kids uh

their kids played or whatever cuz it you know it it was a different time as far as well and other thing was there wasn't

a whole lot for them to do between games but sit in the gym and watch more basketball let's be H yeah and most of

them wanted to you know Sean I've had a lot of people over the years and now that we started really collecting the

information I already had a fair amount but now I'm really digging and hunting and uh if you allow me to uh on your

podcast here anyone interested in letting me look at a scrapbook or if you

played in dual State you don't have to be from Junction cause as I mentioned before we we interviewed coach Malcolm

George this past Sunday he made a statement dual State wasn't about

Junction City it was about every team playing in it because that's what made

the ter it is yeah it was J we hosted it it's a junction city tournament if you want to say that but it was not about us

think about we're sitting here talking and we have not mentioned J City players so let me throw a name out there real quick another great

one yeah we're missing NBA playing a guy I think still hooving overseas and that's James Anderson yeah a great one

one of our own for sure and and by the way we're probably missing tons of other guys that did play that that played D1

and smaller college basketball that they're just not on our radar today but

as you're digging around in all your stuff I know you know more names than we're talking

about there was uh and sad thing is I just saw this the other day there was a

couple of believe all Americans in the 50s on the on the boy side of the play

okay you have all this you know all this history we're talking about but in a certain era that we're talking about

here with Carl and Benny now add all that into it and you see why people what

I was going to say a while ago people would take a week's vacation and head to Jun City basketball Jun y I'm coming

some of them did not hardly watch basket you know go to game they may go to a couple game but when dual State rolled

around I'm not concerned if I miss something I'm gonna see all these teams here I'm G to see the HUD girls I'm

gonna see the union girls I'm G to see the McNeil boys and girls Emerson uh

they'll be there Taylor Bradley all these teams are coming in there and and

and Lewisville I just they keep more I talk more I think about teams and then on the Louisiana side you had simsboro

that would come up and play uh Arcadia cerea Cotton

Valley yes I mean they rolled in and you would see them now some of them didn't come every year but you had your Star

Wars that showed up every year Summerfield bernes uh Dubach was good about it spearsville definitely Maran

now the sad thing is is and I I got a whole episode I'm already working on that when we do the Dual state I'm going

to do this yeah that's kind of the that's the bur in the saddle there because what I was I was trying to yeah

find my opening to bring that up which is that the sad part about this is that most of what we've mentioned they're

gone most of those schools are gone on both sides of the state line uh Arkansas hit a big consolidation effort I don't

even know how many y early 2000 Louisiana since then has uh the parish

that we grew up in uh on the Louisiana side is down to really one high school

um in Farmville Louisiana is hosting one big massive Parish high school and all

those other schools Wayne is pretty much mentioned out of North Louisiana have rolled into that school so you know

Wayne and I we like to think of ourselves as historians even it's even if it's through the lens of sports it's

important because of the hometowns and things and the small town and yeah all of these places are all of

these schools not all of them but most of them are gone and if there were one of these small schools we mentioned

they're gone they rolled up into something else so you know if you preserve the history of something like the Dual state tournament in a way

you're preserving the history of that school and that town which is why it's important and it just happens that

people like talking about basketball and and sports but that's why it's important to me and to Wayne to talk about these

things and and keep a record of them in some way you know I Googled before you and I got on here I Googled dual state

tournament Junction City and there's not a word out there other than since the social media uh since Facebook when

Junction City was still hosting it in the 2000s there might be a notice on there that you know dsn's going to show

the last round of but that was it there was no history of no articles are popping up there's a dual state

tournament in Kansas or somewhere I don't know somewhere else in the country country there's a there's one name to

that guarantee it didn't run as long as the one we're talking about but um there's no there's nothing out there I

bet you and I didn't do it but I bet if you Google King Cotton now you'd have a whole lot of information about it and

for those who don't know I don't even know if it's still running is it still running I I think they're trying to

bring it back not too many years ago briefly but I think it went away again I I don't

know I think it's when I I haven't heard nothing on it so I believe you're right it's gone I know it came back but but

Sean let me say this about this tournament and and you kind of got you got me on a roll here dual State

started in 1932 over in Germany a guy named Adolf

Hitler was trying to take take power take over United States was in a Great

Depression a guy named Franklin Roosevelt was running for president d State saw two World Saw World War the

Korea War Vietnam and numerous other Affairs uh it went from a man on the

moon joke to a man actually landing on the moon it went from uh let me you roll

your phone like you know of course you can't see me doing it but you hold it up to your ear and you speak into it to a

dial tone to now you can tow around now I'm talking to you on one numerous

presidents numerous world events massive social change it survived all

that and I trying to put together a number section how many players play it

ain't going to be exact number how many people possibly attended and we're going I've been looking at

stuff and I think about that gym for 62 years and it's a crying shame we did

away with all that I'm not going to get into that I am going to do an episode on What affected dual State and I'll I'll

do it then I'll definitely have you involved on that one but for people to

understand what you and I witness is something special that's sadly very very

sadly we'll never see again and talk about Americana one of my

wife's favorite words going to that gym like you said I got to see Carl Mal and

you could walk you know if you want if you wanted to you could have walked to it yeah right here in town and what I

missed even all the way up to the end when we were even doing it at the dragon arena was cars parked on sides you come

through Junction you're like where is all why is all these cars parked on the side of the street they're all in that

gym watch one of the greatest tournaments High School tournaments ever took place I I'll say that stand by I

think that's safe to say um yeah and I'm I'm not trying to uh I'm not trying to

uh I'm trying to find the word here I'm not trying to ignore thousands of other players and maybe dozens and dozens of

other college and maybe even a pro or two we don't know about players I I pick

these guy these three guys especially because they overlapped for one thing and the and you really had Carl Malone

affected did basketball at every level he played in he dominated in high school he dominated in college and he dominated

in the pros that makes him a little bit of a unicorn you know what I mean Vinnie Anders dominated in high school and then

he had a significant impact on a really good team in college and then Bobby Joe

Douglas still might be one of the one of the top two or maybe these are the top three players that ever played in

Louisiana I don't know I I'm not educated enough to know that but I know that Bobby Joe Douglas is in that

conversation and like I said the legend of Bobby Joe Douglas is appropriate because he did things that these other

two guys couldn't do and everybody that was around knew that too so I picked

these three because they're gen xers really and because they had such an impact on the history of that game of

the game going forwards at all of those levels high school college and pro and

then you even have Carl Malone making an impact on the Olympic basketball level

as being a charter member of the dream team when they decided he was one of the last ones cut in

1984 from Bobby Knights team and didn't make it and I know uh from over the

years he really hated that and then he got his chance when they didn't do didn't take care of business in 88 and

they pulled the pros in in ' 92 Carl Malone got in on that one and suddenly he's playing with Barkley and magic and

Jordan and bird and all those guys so he he made his impact at the biggest level

imaginable and then if you go down to the college level Anders made an impact along with Carl in a way and then you go

down to the high school level and Douglas might have made an impact in high school more than those two guys so I think they all are are legends in

their own ways and they're definitely a part of uh Gen X and it's just

fascinating that they kind of overlapped and that here we are talking about Anders and Malone in the finals of dual

State and I believe you've already said but Malone beat him in the finals in 81 in the finals Carl Carl Summerfield

yes did you know that they played in the NCAA tournament against each other I I

want to I want to I didn't know if it was something as old as I'm getting I don't

know if it was something I dreamed up or what I kept there I they face it's amazing what you run into when you dig

into some of this stuff and something will catch your eye and you get to thinking well wait a minute and you get to flipping around so I pulled up their

their appearances in the NCAA tournament and I got to noticing that U and this is

significant this will tell you how dominant Carl Malone was in in college um they he got Louisiana Tech to the

Sweet 16 in um 1984 85 and they got put out by

University of Oklahoma and they had a guy named Wayman Tisdale that was pretty good as well and Carl you know carried

that team on his shoulders uh and got them as farther than they had never G ever gone before they were 29 and three

that year but going back to Carl and that was after his junior year um when

he uh did all of that so he left after his junior year Carl sopore year

Louisiana Tech also had a pretty good team and they made the NCAA tournament

you know coming out of the Southland Conference back then you had to win that conference you were not going to get an

enlarg bid coming out of that conference right oh no you could be 26 and four and there

was no guarantee you getting in N did that back toback years but in his sophomore season they played Fresno

State in the first round of the NCAA tournament and then they played Houston in the second round of the NCAA

tournament in 84 that was after his sophomore year or his sophomore year and

he had 18 points and eight rebounds in that matchup against Anders Anders had two points and eight minutes now I will

say I don't know the circumstances but I will say two things about Andrew between injuries and being in trouble with his

coaches you can easily explain why he might have had such low minutes in any

game in the NCAA tournament because I have records of other games where he played you know 12 15 minutes in the

game he was significant Off the Bench for them in other words but in 84 so

three years after these guys squared off in Junction City in the Dual state

tournament right 881 three years later they're playing on the big stage in the NCAA tournament

against each other and um and um Benny Anders and Houston did beat Tech and put

them out of the tournament Carl having a much better individual game but you talk about interesting that they and I don't

know they could have played in some other Arena too but they played in NCAA tournament for sure so I I thought that

was really cool to note that they they did square off against each other again again yeah and think about that like you

said they played in the gym over here three years later you could have watched them because you know CBS at that point

and I think because I think they bought it completely from NBC or B out bided NBC completely I believe and they were

showing trying to show every game because it was becoming the March Madness and all that was starting to

take place if you had asked me hey Wayne I'm going to do a segment on Dual

State give me three players I would have gave you the those three if take out the

genx for a moment if you just said Wayne give me three players yeah and then I

know Robert I mean uh James Anderson's right there behind them due to what he ended up accomplishing but and there's

others there's others but Mount Rushmore for dual State men right there I like

that well said if you go I I put it this way what tickles me or get it really

gets me tickled is when people start talking about you know what happened to the D state

tournament you know and you I wish they still had it I mean I had a former uh

administrator at Jun City cornered me up in the pharmacy here in town one day and

he was adamant we got to bring it back and I that's a again it's about the third time I said this to you another

story for another time but if people get to talking about it they you say well

who who's the one player you remember the most the vast majority are going to

say Bobby Joe Douglas but right behind him is these other two and and here's

the kicker like you said they all come from that same time frame they they overlap all three of them and I think

what what made it what makes it like that is because they faced each other

during the regular season and in the postseason by the way and they're all close by they're all a 30 minute car

ride away from each other maximum 30 minute car rid from each other and those

those four tournaments 79 80 81 and let's throw 82 in there you always had

the crowds started out fairly good on Monday night or Monday Monday night Tuesday Tuesday night gets a little bit

better Wednesday picks up Thursday it's on when those three

played it was almost from the start you had big crowds cuz the crowd I was tell you asked me how much that gym could

hold it was a Wednesday night that figure was uh born that was the night he

Maran played JN City and Bobby Joe scored 64 points the crowds when they

played were solid afternoon and evening six because people were wanting to see the other team and that the same time

get there early enough to get that seat to see Carl Malone can you rattle off

for me who won those years do you know 79 through 81 or two who the winners actually were 79 was spearsville uh JJ

Jackson again mentioned him earlier prominent player um Coach George mentioned him I believe it was Triple

overtime over stamps 80 was Carl Malone they faced uh

Summerfield faced Maran in the finals and Sean I have to tell this that final

those those F that final that night with about two and a half minutes to go Carl

Carl and sommerfield been dominating and they led by I believe around 13 points

so you felt okay they got the game wrapped up Bobby Joe got hot and folks we hadn't

mentioned this before I kind of avoid doing because I know you're going to do a whole thing on them the reason we keep

mentioning him he led the nation and scored in 1980 he averaged 54 points a

game no three-pointers back then yep no three-pointers I mean his range was when

he crossed half this is the way I was told by a former coach I asked I said what was Douglas's range he said when he

got the half court you picked him up if you didn't he'd nail it not a seven-footer that played with his back

to the basket and they FedEd him and he wheeled around and dunked it this was a

shooter this was a shooter Coach George told me he him and Carl Malone have

visited uh over the years Coach George told me that Carl Malone said the best shooting guard he

ever saw played with or against yeah now think about this folks Carl Malone one

of the 50 greatest players NBA history who all he played with Sean you said he wrapped up in ' 04 if I'm correct he was

with the Lakers at that point so you know who he was playing with then the

best shooting guard he ever saw played with or against was Bobby Joe

Douglas in 80s they were down 13 they lost by one point uh he got hot he hit a

couple of deep shots Summerfield turned the ball over that gym I always say it like this

10,000 people were going crazy and you go wait whoaa whoa whoa whoa you just said maxed out 2800 Sean you know that

old wooden the wooden benches people were stomping their feet it was packed

the last shot of the game I was sitting in the if you go walk into the him and you go straight across the floor to the

other side I was in the far right corner yeah Bobby Joe came down on that side

took a shot from the corner favorite shot Carl was trying to block it it rimmed out I mean we thought he had it

cuz everybody was going and the final score was either 7978 or

7877 at high score and high school the next year Summerfield repeated and I believe they repeated the third year a

very a very very good Jun City team made the final four which was uh Holyfield

Hammond Joe Paul Hammet Vince Holyfield uh Dennis Warren yes all of

them and uh they finished fourth in the tournament which is nothing to be ashamed of because you just heard who we

mentioned now again think about this these guys we just mentioned from Junction two of them played in College

World Series yeah you know baseball that's true ATU Southern Arkansas

University very very good players you could make the argument hfield is probably one of the best athletes we

ever had period definitely and there's another Side

Story and they're playing in dual State and this is who all you got in it yeah and and so three years in a row or over

two only two years on those on two years 80 and 81 you've got Bobby Joe Carl and

Anders all in the finals between those between those two seasons so right yeah

between those threes there at least one at least two of them were in the finals if not or in the final four let's play

it like that if not all three yeah and I'm not trying to not talk about Bobby Joe but he's definitely his own topic as

well as these other two but um yeah a guy that averages 54 before the fre uh

three-point line he's worth talking about oh yeah well I could see why you'd have your own he's one to me he make a

perfect 30 for 30 story so you're going to lead that discussion when we get to it I'm GNA wait till I'm GNA wait I'm

going to wait until you're ready and we're going to talk about him but um I I threw these names out there though

because I really believe uh a somewhat and uh involved basketball player from

our age frame is Gonna Know Benny Anders if you say F lamama jamama they're not

gonna know who Bobby Joe was because of what he didn't do in college and in the pros and that's no disrespect whatsoever

like I said there's a case that he's the best basketball player ever played in Louisiana who knows but um I just picked

those two because I know they had the name recognition uh over Bobby Joe but Bobby Joe Douglas deserves his own

discussion for sure and he has nothing to be ashamed about about his career for sure

that and and you know Benny Anders and and yeah the term that's used there was

baggage I mean you know let we'll just put it out there but consider

this Benny played in two final

fours I mean okay they didn't win granted they reached the finals both

times he played they lost out to uh in the finals they lost out to Georgetown

one year and we know who their main player was some guy named Ying he lost

uh uh one year to the semis to Michael Jordan I mean last time I checked he was

okay basketball player and probably I think he probably had a teammate name worthy that was a decent basketball

player and then uh they got beat in the finals by the Jim velano North Carolina

North Carolina State Wolfpack Miracle play there is nothing wrong with that resume for playing basketball and his

fourth year I didn't know this reason there was no fourth year year was not because of Any uh career decisions he

was hurt he didn't play his senior year due to a knee problem and Anders actually played

overseas a little bit after he finished up at Houston he played and and then

disappeared and there a whole story to that that y'all have to watch ESPN to find that out but but you don't get in

there you don't get in there in high school and mix it up with Carl Malone and then in college turn around and play

against Clyde Drex and hakee elijahwan and these other guys every day and not be a quality and really be their savior

Off the Bench he won some games for them and some NCAA tournaments just bringing the energy and the athleticism and

whatnot that he brought into the game when he got in there and he was the guy that if you needed a guy to make a play

and come down and throw down a dunk and get the get the momentum swung that's Benny Anders that's he's he was that

guy well they played Louisville with which uh in the 83 final four which was

in uh Albuquerque at the pit the infamous pit uh okay remember they were

the ones that beat Duke Louisville was known as the doctors of dunk and they said that day that that

that game ushered in the era of modern basketball they were up and I mean

people were fascinated and everyone was claiming that was a championship game might as well be because you had Georgia

and North Carolina State on the other side and everybody's you know okay two teams that you know they're not going to

you know they don't even need to be here Benny had a dunk in that game you

can type go on YouTube and search it Benny Andrew dunk and it'll pull it right up and that shows him but you hit

it on the nail head the reason he come off the bench or what I found out over the years the reason they bring him off

the bench you're bringing in a dynamic player that can either finish your team

off or get you back in the game Benny you want off the bench to bring energy

and that was him in fact my note says he had two dunks in that game against Louisville that were something else I

kept seeing the the word thunderus every time they talk about Benny Ander dunking they'd call it

Thundurus thund he was known he was known as a as a big leaper he could jump

he could he could fly so you know oh yeah that's the guy you want being your

Sixth Man or whatever for sure and if he if he makes the steal and and again folks I know we we

start to give away more and more to 30 for 30 but if he makes the steal you'll hear his teammates say this it changes

his life and he was that close to stealing it and probably getting one of those

thunderous dunks I mean he definitely made an impact on that team it's hard to argue

with three final four appearances and so forth um we all know what car did he had

36,900 and something points and 15,000 nearly rebounds he is the third highest

scoring person that ever played in the NBA and the seventh highest rebounder uh that ever played and he made two Olympic

uh they played in 96 yes he played 96 also two gold medals he's in the he's in

the Nay Smith Basketball Hall of Fame twice Carl Malone is once uh as a player

and an individual and once as a dream team player the Dream Team collectively is in there as a team which it should be

and then Carl's in there as an individual so um and he Carl played 19

years in the NBA and I heard I heard this one time said about him and I had to go look it up because I didn't

believe it he's the only person I've ever heard of that this was said about you know Carl was known he was skinny in

high school but when he was at Tech he was big and bulky like a defensive end very muscular Carl is the only person

I've ever heard them say that he lost weight every year that he played in the NBA he was lighter than the year before

so he came into the Jazz big from Tech and every year going forward after that

he lost a little bit more weight trying to prolong that career it obviously worked I mean he came into the league at

270 something he left it at 250 something and it obviously worked because he he he played 19 seasons and

uh one of the things that really gets me about today's NBA is all this talk about

um their their playing time and their rest days what do they call that their uh something about the way they rest

them that they these planned games where they don't they don't play at

all and uh Carl Malone would laugh at that because Carl played in The Generation where you put you got out

there 82 times a year no matter what and uh and so he was he

was I I I don't understand the got AR rest now and everything PA a lot of

money he was in that Barkley Jordan Bird magic Isaiah Thomas all those guys generation they didn't believe in that

so so Carl um had his good by the way he was a 75 74% free throw shooter so he's

not like one of these guys that was a liability late in the game he won a ton of games because he could shoot free

throws at the end of them so he definitely made his mark on on Benny there's not a lot of numbers to talk

about because he was a role player and some years he scored six or eight points and some years he didn't and but it was

it was what the intangibles that he brought a lot of times like we talked about with coming in and bringing that

energy and then Bobby Joe you know we're gonna depend on you to dig all that up

and we're going to hear about it at some point but uh you know to me Bobby Joe has his own story that's that's like you

said it deserves its own 30 for 30 actually I'm sure I don't even know all of it but I know just if you just

stopped at the day he quit playing high school basketball that deserves it cuz he was some kind of dominant player back

in that era before three-pointers I told you yesterday he probably was average 60

a game if he oh God he easy easy yeah

anything else I mean we've been going for uh an hour and 15 and man that's that's plenty good for me uh anything

else about it that you want to throw out there I mean there's so much history throw it in there I'll I'll throw this

in uh real quick Bobby Joe he did play college went to nlu played in the

Continental Basketball Association or some people call I want to call the G league but it actually a totally

different thing uh Carl also played in I know of off the top of my head don't

hold me too but I know he played three final final fours three NBA Finals uh two of those against that guy

you mentioned that apparently he was very good very good player Michael

Jordan all of those all that stuff I'm telling you about you talk about and talking about

Benny 43 44 years ago you could have went right over here to our gym the gym here in J City watch all three play and

I think that I think that's remarkable and I think that alone says a lot about the Dual state

tournament yeah about a dollar to get in uh a couple more dollars you could have got hot dog you know who we need to do a

podcast with is anybody that ever had to work in the concession stand of dual state tournament those are the real

heroes man my wife was one of them when she was on yearbook staff and she has

some stories my little tidbit on history of that is when I was a junior was the

third year in a row Junction was going for the title and Dale hu said look

these girls back here girls and guys from the yearbook that are making these

snacks for people this was back in the days when you had wax paper cups and you poured the drinks over ice yep and hooks

told me and uh different people on different nights but I know M Knight was one of them one night and he said y'all

have got to get this shopping cart and y'all go around outside of the gym on that paved sidewalk and go around to the

back there's there were two or three of those ice machines that convenience stores use so the ice is already

delivered and pre-bagged and delivered and thrown in there and those on those eight PB bags or whatever they are and

they're just brimming full and he said we need guys to Courier the ice back and forth and they had a shopping cart and I

know I was I think it was magnite helping I was helping or something but he said in between just go sit down and

enjoy the game well we made a run to start the game and got them good with

ice and we hadn't sat down good and they one of those girls it got to where they just looked across the gym and and W

wiggled their finger like this come here and we get up and go over there they say we need more ice and so I never sat down

for the a the evening session I had to watch a junction win it uh standing and

what you called the forer earlier as best I could and and C Junction because

I was constantly going and getting ice and we emptied all those ice machines and you know you'd have thought man

we're we're ready to go with that no I never saw anything from the bleachers and they never quit pouring Coke so I

don't know how they didn't run out of cups honestly I I don't either you you're better off if you couldn't move

around cuz the people couldn't get down there if there was just just enough room to get down there you wouldn't going to

have much of anything left in there Sean one more thing you talk about winning that three in a

row if you look at that 79 to 82 that's special add in the rest of the 80s into

the 90s and the Dual state tournament was rolling still very competitive tough

as it could be let me put another name in there that deserves mention because he won a total of four I believe I know

three in a row you you I'll double check on that Johnny sweet was one heck of a

coach and he don't get mentioned near enough yeah he was a coach of the three in a row and I mean think about that

that is something I believe let's see you you said your soft your freshman sof 85 86

87 I believe he also won an 83 I believe he got four in a row

Yeah by 89 he wasn't coaching basketball ter probably had it for a

couple years than Gary way yeah coach swed I think you won four I know that other one was earlier and I don't know

if it was 82 83 somewhere in there yeah we know who we know who to ask but yeah

J had really good teams then yeah yeah Johnny and keep in mind what we

mentioned on the factor that around here is like we want to win dual State and you know well you know they may go to

State and play you know whatever they got to win dual State and I always found that fascinating that we worried more

about that tournament than getting into the state tournament and trying to win it that's how important it was uh my my

brother they won it in 90 two three somewhere in there 94 was the year I

think uh Pony lart noret surprised they got beat on Saturday afternoon by noret

but the year before they won it and so I don't know how many Wayman ended up with I know have won but I don't know if they

won yeah so well it's a great tournament it was a great tournament and it has a

lot to do with small town life and Americana like you said and that's what made it special so um there will be for

the folks that the the ones of people that listen I will have more information later on whenever Wayne puts a project

out uh and there'll be various formats of those I'm sure there's a lot of work involved in that I'll make sure that the

people who are on here will hear and we'll pull him back in for other stuff like normal and I'll help him out with a

few things where I can but I'm going to hit the the stop record button but hang on just a second okay all right thank

you Wayne I appreciate your time brother thank you for joining us on genx classic Sports where Nostalgia meets The Thrill

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